F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 21 24 May 1999
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
What's Not Happening - Losing issues in the Z1C Electio .. 2
3. NOTICES .................................................. 4
4. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 5
5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 9
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
The last issue from me for 4 weeks, as we are on our way on Tuesday.
Douglas will look after FidoNews until my return.
Happy reading,
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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What's Not Happening
.-- -- -- -- -- -- WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING -- -- -- -- -- --.
| There isn't always something happening on Fidonet, but |
| there's always something which isn't happening. This |
| column is dedicated to the lost causes which make Fido |
| what it isn't today. Published semi-occasionally... |
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The Zone 1 Coordinator Election begins it's nomination phase on May
30th. Lack of candidates, however, has been no deterrent to the
debate of issues. Here are a few issues from the past week which
should not be a factor in the upcoming election:
1. Dallas Hinton posted as Bob Satti.
Much ado was made over Dallas logging onto Bob's system as Bob and
posting in his name. However, it appears that Dallas was merely
passing on messages dictated by Bob from his hospital bed. This
charge fails to establish any intent to defraud on Dallas part, and
I seriously doubt that even Dallas' detractors will continue to hold
him in infamy over the technicality that he didn't put his initials
on the dictated messages.
It's probably not a good idea for Dallas to list this activity on
his election resume under "ZC EXPERIENCE," however...
2. Region 10 Net Coordinators were not consulted before the R10C
voted on election methods.
This turned out to be a simple technical error - the messages posted
in the R10 regional echoes were lost on one system. Brenda Donovan,
as Region 10 Coordinator, continues to enjoy (so fare as I know) a
reputation for putting information before her region. The fact that
the charge was even made is more indicative that there is still a
deep distrust of regional representation than indicative of any
actual RC failure. RCs should, of course, be aware of this
distrust... but I don't see what more they can do except to continue
to conduct their business openly and honestly.
3. Regional Coordinators sent differing messages to their regions
in soliciting input concerning election methods for the Z1C.
It's certain that RC's wrote their regions using their own words
because there was no common message drafted for this purpose.
Whether there should have been or not is open for debate, but
there's been no case established that the differing wording resulted
in differing input from the regions.
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This is unlikely to become an issue in the upcoming election because
it doesn't express the underlying concern of those expressing the
complaint. The underlying concern is that regional input may not be
accurately reflected whenever the RCs vote. So long as the concept
of RC representation is distrusted, or in the absence of independent
monitoring of regional input, it's unlikely that this issue will be
resolved in time for the current election.
4. Policy 4 does not require open election of the Z1C.
This argument has normally been advanced whenever criticism of the
current election process has become severe. The implication is that
sysops should be content with whatever input they've been granted to
the selection process, because they're not entitled to any by
policy. Policy firmly places ZC selection in the RC's hands and
does not address the method of selection they use.
This is unlikely to become an election issue because it represents
an extreme viewpoint - as extreme as the viewpoint that Fidonet
sysops can void policy merely by withdrawing from Fido and reforming
the net. However, the facts are that RCs have chosen to make part
of the election process open, and sysops have chosen to attempt to
work within the existing structure. Extremes have no place in the
upcoming election.
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| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
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NOTICES
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Future History
4 Jul - 10 Jul 1999
Z1C Election process
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
9 Jun 1999
Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
10 Sep 1999
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
26 Oct 1999
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
21 Sep 2000
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
Echomail [pending]
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
http://www.nrgsys.com/orb/foti
List servers:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
Region 14:
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19
Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
Not sure where the following should be placed:
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/fido.html
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ZEC2:
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4:
Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
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1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:106/1 | Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
1:107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
1:396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr.
1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
2:335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
2:284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
3:633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP | 33.6 | n/c
4:902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
4:905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
[I'm only cataloging transfer methods, eg, ftp, email, telnet.
Specific programs using these protocols are no longer being listed.
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Contact the system operators for details of which programs they have
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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