F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 28 10 Jul 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Echomail Writer .......................................... 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3
Massive Dupes and Old Mail ............................... 3
Echo Mod Robot Updates ................................... 3
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 5
Ol'WDB: Things Andy Learned .............................. 5
4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 7
What Do the Kids Say? .................................... 7
A Good and Pious Man ..................................... 8
5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 10
Cows ..................................................... 10
6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 11
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 11
7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 15
Masthead ................................................. 15
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EDITORIAL
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Echomail Writer
Doug Myers
With apologies to The Beatles:
Dear Sir or Madam, would you read my string
If you don't jump in it doesn't mean a thing.
It's a dirty ol' whine 'bout a dirty ol' man
And his Klingon Sysop who doesn't understand.
It's based on a bitch by a bygone fighter
And I need an avocation, so I wanna be an Echomail Writer...
Echomail concerns occupy Fidonet these last couple weeks. In last
week's article about "The PacMan," Andy Manninger reported on the
phenomenon wherein echomail messages stop flowing in some echoes,
only to eventually come through in massive quantities... or worse,
never to come through to some systems at all.
Since his article, several echo correspondents have noted these echo
irregularities; indeed, some have even been traced to their causes
and dealt with. Consensus seems to be, however, that it's a
potentially continuing problem which needs to be monitored and dealt
with for the foreseeable future.
Featured in this week's Fidonews are excerpts from two messages
concerning unrelated echomail problems. Ross Cassell reveals a
recent breakdown in echomail distribution between the two major
backbones and the corrective steps applied, along with notice of the
anticipated consequences.
Thom LaCosta explores corrective steps for unwanted echo
acquisitions. His proposal for use of the echomail robot to
automate echo renewals departs from the stated "hands off" policy of
the past, and so he seeks input from sysops worldwide (or at least
from Zone 1, where the echolist is most widely used).
Are these incidents the harbinger of doom and destruction for Fido
echomail, as some are saying? Or are we dealing with routine
problems, amplified somehow by the recent focus of attention?
It is of note that none of these problems are completely new. I
recall complaints about the irregular flow of echomail from the days
when Fidonet was in its heyday. Back then, people complained and
other people acted... kinda like now.
Breakdowns between backbones appears to be a new problem... but
that's only because Fidonet was dominated by the NAB through most of
its history. If the "backbone problem" is considered a "hub
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problem," we've certainly seen and dealt with these before.
Nor does Thom LaCosta present us with a previously unexperienced
problem - complaints about echo hijacking have filled the ether for
as long as I can remember.
These problems, rather than indicating the death of Fido echomail
instead testify to it's strength. Though the shrinking nodelist is
a reality and it doesn't seem to be going away, the interest in
echomail seems stronger than ever. This editor feels that echomail
will survive any conceivable deterioration of Fidonet and remain
vital so long as there are any number of active nodes.
I once belonged to an "othernet" with only nine active nodes which
nonetheless sported echomail bases that drew one back for more. The
sysops then were a lot less knowledgeable than those of Fidonet
today, not nearly as quick to resolve problems... and yet the sense
of community thrived. There's no reason Fido can't pull this off -
even if the nodelist of the future continues to shrink.
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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*Massive Dupes and Old Mail
Ross Cassell, 1:3639/93
Extracted from echomail in FIDONEWS
Hello All!
In light of connection issues between the Z1B and the NAB following
Matt Bedyneks departure and a glitch with the border-gate software
at the new bridge. Bob Seaborn was kind enough to provide me with
archives of all the mail bundles he had that covered the time frame
these glitches occured. His archives obviously contained mail from
NAB fed systems that may or may not have made it into Z1B fed
systems to be propogated.
*HOWEVER* some mail did propogate ok and as a result many of you
will see dupes because of the mass toss I just performed of Bobs
archives, however this should adequately address any lost mail.
Conversely I returned the favor to Bob Seaborn by providing him with
what I could provide that contained mail from Z1B fed systems which
may or may not have propogated into the NAB?
Unfortunately I only at the time only backup for 7 days inbound mail
prior to toss, so I could not provide him with mail that originated
from here or from my downlinks that may not have reached the NAB..
Nevertheless, some is better than none. I will be implementing a
bulk backup setup when I am through here..
At any rate, when Bob gets done tossing that care package I sent to
him, you will likely see even more dupes... After this, the dust
shall settle and business as usual.
Best Regards,
Ross Cassell
E-mail: rcassell@home.com, ross@cassellonline.com ICQ = 5305939
Region 18 Web Page = http://www.cassellonline.com/fidonet/
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Echo Mod Robot Updates
Thom LaCosta, 1:1/21
Extracted from Echomail in MODERATORS
I've gotten mail from several moderators asking if I can use the
echo mod robot to make submissions on their behalf.
The technology works...I use it for my own echoes. The downside is
that if I were to take on that automation, I might renew a listing
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for a moderator who is no longer active...which is counter
productive.
I suppose it could be done...I'd just have to reach out and touch
the moderator before renewal to insure that they are still online.
So, the question might be, is that an appropriate mechanism to
prevent the unwanted/unwarrented rescues, or do we maintain the
present system.
Note: there are many echoes that have MOD UPD messages submitted by
someone other than the moderator...so the precendent has been set.
I'd be interested in comments from yourself and others on the
matter.
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COLUMNS
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Ol'WDB's Column
wdbonner@pacbell.net
Having been an Andy Rooney fan for many years, and want to share
with you, "Things Andy has Learned...."
Andy Sez...
I've learned.... that the best classroom in the world is at the feet
of an elderly person.
I've learned.....that when you're in love, it shows, especially if
you are male.
I've learned.... that just one person saying to me, "You've made my
day!" makes my day.
I've learned......that having a child fall asleep in your arms is
one of the most peaceful feelings in the world.
I've learned..... that being kind is more important than being
right.
I've learned....that you should never say no to a gift from a child.
I've learned...that I can always pray for someone when I don't have
the strength to help him in some other way.
I've learned....that no matter how serious your life requires you to
be, everyone needs a friend to act goofy with.
I've learned...that sometimes all a person needs is a hand to hold
and a heart to understand.
I've learned.... that simple walks with my father around the block
on summer nights when I was a child did wonders for me as an adult.
I've learned.... that life is like a roll of toilet paper. The
closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes.
I've learned.... that we should be glad God doesn't give us
everything we ask for.
I've learned... that money doesn't buy class.
I've learned.... that it's those small daily happenings that make
life so spectacular.
I've learned.... that under everyone's hard shell is someone who
wants to be appreciated and loved.
I've learned.... that the Lord didn't do it all in one day. What
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makes me think I can?
I've learned.... that to ignore the facts does not change them.
I've learned.... that when you plan to get even with someone, you
are only letting that person continue to hurt you.
I've learned.... that love, not time, heals all wounds.
I've learned.... that the easiest way for me to grow as a person is
to surround myself with people smarter than I am.
I've learned.....that everyone you meet deserves to be greeted with
a smile.
I've learned.... that no one is perfect until you fall in love with
them.
I've learned.... that life is tough, but I'm tougher.
I've learned.... that opportunities are never lost; someone will
take the ones you miss.
I've learned.... that when you harbor bitterness, happiness will
dock elsewhere.
I've learned . . . that I wish I could have told my Mom that I love
her one more time before she passed away.
I've learned....that one should keep his words both soft and tender,
because tomorrow he may have to eat them.
I've learned....that a smile is an inexpensive way to improve your
looks.
I've learned.... that I can't choose how I feel, but I can choose
what I do about it.
I've learned.....that when your newly born grandchild holds your
little finger in his little fist, that you're hooked for life.
I've learned.... that everyone wants to live on top of the mountain,
but all the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it.
I've learned.....that it is best to give advice in only two
circumstances; when it is requested and when it is a
life-threatening situation.
I've learned.....that the less time I have to work with, the more
things I get done.
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NET HUMOR
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What Do the Kids Say?
Thanks to Lynn Gipson
lgipson@netquest.com
Questions asked some kids:
HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO TO MARRY?
"You got to find somebody who likes the same stuff. Like, if you
like sports, she should like it that you like sports, and she should
keep the chips and dip coming."
Alan, age 10
"No person really decides before they grow up who they're going to
marry. God decides it all way before, and you get to find out later
who you're stuck with."
Kirsten, age 10
WHAT IS THE RIGHT AGE TO GET MARRIED?
"Twenty-three is the best age because you know the person FOREVER by
then."
Camille, age 10
"No age is good to get married at. You got to be a fool to get
married."
Freddie, age 6
HOW CAN A STRANGER TELL IF TWO PEOPLE ARE MARRIED?
"Married people usually look happy to talk to other people."
Eddie, age 6
"You might have to guess, based on whether they seem to be yelling
at the same kids."
Errick, age 8
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR MOM AND DAD HAVE IN COMMON?
"Both don't want no more kids."
Lori, age 8
WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A DATE?
"Dates are for having fun, and people should use them to get to know
each other. Even boys have something to say if you listen long
enough."
Lynnette, age 8
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"On the first date, they just tell each other lies, and that usually
gets them interested enough to go for a second date."
Martin, age 10
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON A FIRST DATE THAT WAS TURNING SOUR?
"I'd run home and play dead. The next day I would call all the
newspapers and make sure they wrote about me in all the dead
columns."
Craig, age 9
WHEN IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE?
"When they're rich."
Pam, age 7
"The law says you have to be eighteen, so I wouldn't want to mess
with that."
Curt, age 7
"The rule goes like this: if you kiss someone, then you should
marry them and have kids with them. It's the right thing to do."
Howard, age 8
IS IT BETTER TO BE SINGLE OR MARRIED?
"It's better for girls to be single but not for boys. Boys need
someone to clean up after them."
Anita, age 9
HOW WOULD THE WORLD BE DIFFERENT IF PEOPLE DIDN'T GET MARRIED?
"There sure would be a lot of kids to explain, wouldn't there?"
Kelvin, age 8
HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A MARRIAGE WORK?
"Tell your wife that she looks pretty even if she looks like a
truck."
Ricky, age 10
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A Good and Pious Man
Thanks to Roy Reed
Seymour was a good and pious man, and when he passed away, the Lord
himself greeted him at the pearly gates of heaven.
"Hungry, Seymour?" the Lord asked.
"I could eat," said Seymour. The Lord opened a can of tuna, and
they shared it.
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While eating this humble meal, Seymour looked down into Hell and
noticed the inhabitants devouring enormous steaks, pheasant,
pastries and vodka.
The next day, the Lord again asked Seymour if he were hungry, and
Seymour again said, "I could eat." Once again, a can of tuna was
opened and shared, while down below Seymour noticed a feast of
caviar, champagne, lamb, truffles, brandy and chocolates.
The following day, mealtime arrived and another can of tuna was
opened. Meekly, Seymour said, "Lord, I am very happy to be in
heaven as a reward for the good life I lived. But, this is heaven,
and all I get to eat is tuna. But in the Other Place, they eat like
Kings. I just don't understand."
"To be honest, Seymour," the Lord said, "for just two people, does
it pay to cook?"
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| Editor: Douglas Myers, 1:270/720, DougM@paonline.com |
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| Columnist: Joe Jared, 1:103/0, jarhead@osirusoft.com |
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| Humor: Roy Reed, rcreedv@juno.com |
| Features: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 |
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