T H E M O N E Y C H A N G E R Vol.1, No.6, December, 1987 Information deadline December 1, 1987 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ F.Sanders,S.P.,MONEYCHANGER*5705 Stage Rd., Suite 164*Memphis,TN.38134 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE FOURTH WORLD WILDERNESS CONFERENCE: Beware the bankers bearing gifts An interview with Mr. George Hunt Mr. George Hunt has been an accountant for small businesses, corpo- rations, and partnerships for the past 18 years, specializing in physicians and dentists. He works also with general businesses, doing consulting, accounting, and tax work as well as investment counselling. He kindly made time for this interview on November 18, 1987. MONEYCHANGER - What was the Fourth World Wilderness Congress that took place September 11th through September 18th? HUNT - It was billed as a world-wide meeting to address global environmental concerns. As far as the public was concerned, it was produced by a chap named Ian Player, a wealthy, wealthy in- dustrialist of (I believe) English descent. I'm sure he'd be in Who's Who and so on. As I found out it was not really produced by him, but by the moneychangers in London and Europe. MONEYCHANGER - That is a far-reaching charge. What basis do you have for that? HUNT - Well, the London banker Baron Edmund de Rothschild was at the meeting for 6 days. Edmund de Rothschild was personally conducting the monetary matters and creation of this World Conservation Bank (WCB), in the company of I. Michael Sweatman of the Royal Bank of Canada. Those 2 were like Siamese twins, and that's why I say that it appears they were running at least the money side of this conference, and I would say the conference was primarily to get money. Also, David Rockefeller was there, and gave a speech on Sunday. MONEYCHANGER - How many people were there? HUNT - There were 1500 from 60 countries sign up at the first meetings in Denver. That was first 3 days before it went up into the mountains, where the shirtsleeve work was done. MONEYCHANGER - Into the mountains where? HUNT - We went up to Estes Park, Colorado from Monday through Friday, after the meetings the preceding Friday through Sunday afternoon at Currigan Hall in Denver. Rockefeller spoke that Sunday and there were keynote addresses about how great this whole idea was. Then we adjourned to the YMCA camp facility in Estes Park for another 5 days of meetings. MONEYCHANGER - What whole idea? HUNT - Oh, conservation, ecology, the world has a chance, we're going to beat the ozone deterioration, we're going to get the rain forests back together again. The thing that really set me off was Baker's talk. MONEYCHANGER - Was he there? HUNT - Oh yeah, he was there. He gave the keynote address. He said that conservation requires "growth and development". There was a HUM around the audience, because they knew that "growth and development" are antagonistic to conservation. MONEYCHANGER - Wait now. There are some code words passing here, aren't there? When Baker says something like that, he's talking in code about something else. HUNT - Exactly. He's talking in code about the *formula*, the "equation" of conservation and growth and development, that is, assets equals liabilities plus net worth. There were a lot of these *double intendres*. MONEYCHANGER - How did you get in to these meetings? HUNT - I was watching public television one night before the congress. A week earlier my 21 year old son had said to me, Dad, you know I'd like to go up to the Arctic and repair the rangers' huts up there. They need repair and I could do it, and I'd like to be up there alone. So I filed that away. Then as I was watching public television they announced that the Fourth World Wilderness Congress as coming to Denver Sept. 11th. They showed pictures of reindeer and all that kind of stuff. I said, Gee, that would be great, I bet I could rub elbows with the Smokies (the U.S. Forest Service) there, which I did by the way. There were 90 smokies there. So I got on the phone, and because I'm a businessman and have a sales background, too, I was able to wangle myself in, free of charge. There was a F$650 charge for attending. MONEYCHANGER - Wait a minute. You're telling me that all these GREENIES who live out in the woods on berries and nuts came up with F$650 plus travel to Denver? HUNT - A good question. I think a lot of those Greenies were sponsored to be there. It was a contrived conference. So I called around and it turned out that the FINDHORN GROUP in Loveland, CO, were the official hosts. They call themselves "The Emissaries." MONEYCHANGER - Aren't they an occultist New Age group? HUNT - Heavy New Age, but they were in charge of the host functions at the Congress, and I finally wound up being interviewed by them. I told them I was a Christian, I was transparent with everybody. Turns out that a Christian within their group -- you know, New Age includes Christians, too, they're just off on a little tangent maybe -- interviewed me and I was passed with flying colors as a good guy to meet and greet these attendees. My job was to act as a host to the dignitaries, coming in from various parts of the world. I loved my work, because I love people, and I did a good job for these folks. When my work was through, I sat in on all of the meetings that were of a business nature. Baker got up and spouted his "conserva- tion requires growth and development" line, and a lot of other things. I've got a copy of his speech, and it sounded good if you just listened to the words, but it was cloaked with a lot of innuendos. I said to myself, this is a SCAM. Here's the 1st speaker, and immediately I was alerted, because I know the history of these people. MONEYCHANGER - "These people" means bankers and money people, or New Agers, or who? HUNT - Bankers and money people. I've delved into conspiracy. I don't know where you're coming from on this, but I checked it out and researched it for 5 years and I am *convinced* there is a conspiracy. MONEYCHANGER - Well, at the very least some kind of Insider network that arranges things to their own benefit. HUNT - James Baker is the Edward Mandell House of the U.S. Treasury Department. So I wrote an open letter of rebuttal to distribute at the meeting the next day. I printed 700 letters. Thank God I didn't distribute them. The thing that caused me not to distribute it, besides fear, was compassion. When I saw Rothschild and Rockefeller sitting up in front before Rockefeller's talk, I thought, Would you want someone to do that to you, George, distribute a rebuttal that makes you look silly, when you're a national figure? As it turns out my distributing that wouldn't have any impact *at all* on that audience because they were either ig- norant or bought. But I went back to the pressroom after Rockefel- ler's speech, and presented it to him -- to his bodyguard really, his bodyguard up between me and David. He did read it, because the next da I received a warning from Rockefeller's office that I'd better stop politicking or I'd regret it. Which was good for me, since it made me shut my mouth and open my ears. I was warned by the Findhorn Group, and I complied. It was good that I was obedient to my superiors, because I was allowed to stay at the congress and hear a lot of interest- ing things. After the talks for the public and the newspapers were finished on Sunda afternoon, we went up to the shirtsleeves sessions in Estes Park. I had lunch with Michael Sweatman and Mr. and Mrs. Rothschild, and I was able to ask them how this bank was going to continue to operate*** MONEYCHANGER - By "this bank" you mean the WCB? HUNT - Yes. I didn't see any earnings engine inside it. Where are the earnings coming from, if all you have in it are these wilderness lands, reindeer hides, and so on? I didn't say exactly that, but*** MONEYCHANGER - Reindeer hides don't pay much of a dividend. HUNT - No. They're planning on re-financing, debt swapping one trillion dollars of Third World debt into this new World Conservation Bank. I told a high official of the Brazilian finance ministry, Dr. Jose Pedro de Oliveira-Costa, I don't see how this bank is going to survive. Is this really going to benefit Brazil? He sad, last night I could not sleep all night long. There is no benefit that anybody's going to get from this bank. If they give us a refinance, in the short run, yes, we will benefit. We will get soft currency from them, we'll be able to get our economy going again, but in the long term, he said, we won't be able to pay those loans back. We've devalued as far as we possibly can in our country, we're at the brink of poverty. MONEYCHANGER - Well, how did Sweatman answer the question of where the earnings would come from? HUNT - He said, "We're working on that." MONEYCHANGER - . "We're working on that"?? HUNT - "We're working on that." He's an evasive guy. In fact, he's already lied to Senator Tim Wirth . MONEYCHANGER - How will this World Conservation Bank scheme work exactly? HUNT - The WCB will be enacted by the United Nations, and will need to be approved, I wuld think, by every country participating. Let's assume that our senators and representatives allow this thing to happen. Then the Bank will be endowed with 30% of the earth's land surface. MONEYCHANGER - Now WHO is going to do that? Governments around the world will give title to their wilderness lands to th WCB? HUNT - Will give title to the lands to the World Wilderness Land Inventory Trust. It will be en-trusted. Sounds good, huh? We know about trusts. Then this Trust will go floating into the WCB by the unanimous decree of the world's people, saying, God Bless you for saving our reindeer. That kind of a mentality is where they're coming from. Those people at the congress were ignorant. They don't suspect anything. They're VERY naive. Not stupid, ignorant. MONEYCHANGER - Which people do you mean? HUNT - I'm talking about the conservationists. Conservationists and ecologists comprised about 60% of the people there. About 30% were government, United Nations and other bureaucrats. The other 10% were world banking heavyweights who were there with axes to grind and pencils to sharpen. So the bank is endowed with an asset, an asset worth how many trillions? I don't know. Their accountants are going to evaluate this 50 million sqaure kilometer hunk of wilderness lands. then the WCB will have the power to act as a world central bank. It can create soft currencies, not hard currencies, at this point. Soft currencies are used, as you probably know, for some purpose WITHIN a country. But what I picked up on is that the soft currencies can be spent outside of a country for environmental and ecological equipment. Well, hello, International Harvester, Mack Truck, etc., they're going to bring those soft currencies into the US and we're going to have inflation. MONEYCHANGER - That will be an international currency, in other words. You're calling it a soft currency, but in effect it'll be an international currency. HUNT - It's not an international currency in the sense of a one world currency because it's not a hard currency, it's not legal tender for all international transactions, yet. Now you know and I know that by currency and debt-for-equity swaps they're going to wheel and deal it from soft into hard somehow. These guys are smart. MONEYCHANGER - Let me see if I understand. A World Conservation Bank will be set up and into a trust will be vested title to 30% of the world's land surface, 12 1/2 *billion* acres. Against this the WCB will issue loans to various countries to buy, what did you say, environmental*** HUNT - No, no, no, they could issue loans, but I'm talking specifically about currencies. They can create currencies for in-country use. MONEYCHANGER - Well, that's issuing loans. It's the same thing. They will loan money for certain spceified purposes to these countries. Now am I to assume that say, for example, Brazil, puts up the Amazon Basin, and they get credited a certain amount? Then there's a certain amount of loans they can draw down against that "deposit", so to speak? HUNT - How it will work I'm not sure. They didn't get into technique, they went into policies and enactments and resolutions. BUT, there could be a gradual loan swap for Brazil, taking them out of their old loans and putting them into a new WCB loan, which will then sweeten the loan on the Chase Manhattan's balance sheet, and will take it out of non-accrual and put it back into the healthy loan column once again. MONEYCHANGER - or else pay it off. HUNT - Or they could pay it off, right. They could call it any shot that they wanted to. They could pay them off lickety-split. MONEYCHANGER - But what's really happened is that the Brazilians will have given up title to millions of acres of land and in exchange the Chase Manhattan will get its loan to Brazil paid off by the WCB. HUNT - You got it. MONEYCHANGE - I got it. HUNT - I believe that World Bank loans, as they stand now, are not collateralized. Now they're entering into a new era of loan collateralization. They're saying, Okay, the next step is that we ant collateral, so that when we loan-swap this debt, and we're going to own the Amazon if you default. Remember, as the Brazilian Oliveira-Costa sad, they're not going to be able to pay that off. That's why he couldn't sleep that night, because he *knew* that they were going to loose the Amazon . MONEYCHANGER - These are debt for equity swaps, which they've been talking about for several years. They're going to make their bad loans good by collateralizing them after the fact with all of this land, and somebody, somebody, SOMEBODY is going to end up with title to *twelve and a half billion acres*. Is that right? HUNT - That's right. The collateral behind whatever loans are in the WCB at the time, if the WCB goes belly up. There's a whole see-saw of things that are going to happen. They have multi-, multi-trillions of dollars upon which they can create currencies and loans, and they're going to begin to barter and counter- trade and loan-swap against the United States. MONEYCHANGER - Have you ever heard the name John Law? HUNT - No. MONEYCHANGER - Are you familiar with the French hyperinflation during the French Revolution, 1792 - 1798? HUNT - Oh, yeah, when they issued assignats! MONEYCHANGER - Do you know what the assignats were? The assignats were the ASSIGNMENTS of a mortgage on what were called the "na- tional domains", and those were confiscated (mostly church) lands and properties. In other words, it was a scheme to *monetize* land. Now, what you have just described to me as the World Conservation Bank is a scheme to monetize land. HUNT - Very good, sir. You are right. Now I reeber John Law. Didn't he convince the French in the 1720s to monetize land in the Mississippi Bubble? MONEYCHANGER - No, but he had come up with a land monetization scheme and presented it to the Scottish parliament in about 1694, and he was literally laughed out of the country for it. But this is the same crooked scheme, and moreover it will function was a world central bank, and out of that world central bank there will grow a one-world flat currency system at the same time. This scheme is like a box of Cracker Jacks: it's just loaded with prizes and nuts. How will this project be put into effect? Will it be installed under the auspices of the United Nations? HUNT - I think so. There was a United Nations World Commission on Environment and Development created in 1982 that published what's called the Brundtland Report, actually entitled OUR COMMON FUTURE Gro Harlem Brundtland is the prime minister of Norway. She is the mother of four, 49 years old, and she was at the conference. The UN said, Brundtland, Go for it! Find out the conditions in our world. She came back with her study and said, The conditions are *terrible*. The UN then said, What do you recommend? And she said, I recommend a conservation bank, dot dot dot*** Her report set the stage for unlimited enactments to take over ecology, environmental and pollution laws throughout the world. This includes international dictation to the US about its "smoke- stack" industries. So not only do we have a Bank forming as a result of the Brundtland Report, but we also have a proposal for very harsh, quasi-spiritual ecological laws for "Mother Earth". You're going to have a "Mother Earth Comes First" mentality arising throughout the world as a result of this legislation. MONEYCHANGER - One is tempted to say a *Mother Earth cult*. HUNT - It is already turning into a Mother Earth cult. The Brundtland Report is the precipitating event for putting the entire scheme into effect. Brundtland was there at the conference on Thursday, and I saw her receive the enactments and resolutions that they had created. I do not have a copy of them. They went underground. Senator Wirth's office has been looking for them. He's the only senator that has yet had any kind of an interest in this. I kind of wonder if he's just prying for the benefit of those others, because Timmy's been a representative or senator since 1972, so you know he's been pretty well processed by the one-world people. Yesterday Tim Mahoney from Tim Wirth's office called me and said, I talked to Michael Sweatman and Michael Sweatman sad they weren't really there at that conference to create a World Conservation Bank. I said, "What??" Mahoney said, They were just there to see what could possibly be done in that area. I said, Hey, take a look at that copy of Baker's speech that I sent you. He told us on the first day in his keynote address that the purpose of this congress is to create a World Conservation Bank. You know, con- gressmen and senators are looking for an excuse NOT to pry. This is a hot item, they don't want to touch it. MONEYCHANGER - How fast are they moving? When will they try to put this WCB into action? HUNT - As soon as they can, because as Rockefeller said in his speech, "the good news is that collapse f the monetary system that was predicted by some regarding each of the major borrowing countries has been resolved 'temporarily' by extending the debt." "Temporarily" -- that means he wants some *permanent* solutions. "They bad news is that lower petroleum prices in 1986 caused countries to renegotiate the schedule for debt repay- ment again. The borrowing countries are in better shape because interest cost of servicing the nearly F$400 billion in Latin American debt is still enormous. One-third of Latin America's Export earnings are devoted to paying interest on this debt, according to the Institute for International Economics in Washington. Two-thirds of the nearly F$400 billion in debt is owed to a number of commercial banks, including Chase Manhattan. Most are paying only interest payments, not principal, and while economic conditions have improved the countries still face political and structural problems that could hamper repayment." As you will recall I talked to Oliveira-Costa, a Brazilian finance ministry official, and he said, There is no way that we could pay off that debt. So the bottom line says, We're going to have a financial collapse in our country if they DON'T get the WCB. MONEYCHANGER - Then there's not much time. But you don't have any idea what the actual time framework is. HUNT - I tried to extract that. I had dinner with James MacNeill, the Secretary General, UN Commission on Environment and Development in Geneva. That's the commission that Gro Harlem Brundtland headed up which will present its report to the UN in which all of these resolutions will be contained. Nobody's been able to find out where it is. I think they're going to pull a little Federal Reserve trick on us, you know, present it sometime like midnight on December 25th, when nobody's watching. At the congress I said to Michael Sweatman, There is no earnings engine in the balance sheet of this bank that I can see, and you're taking in wilderness properties and trillions of dollars in bad debts. Where are the earnings going to come from to keep this bank afloat? He answered, We're working on that; you'll have a chance to express your concerns and your questions in a half and hour at our caucus. I said Sure, you're going to call on me. This thing seems to be contrived from the beginning to the end, frankly. He said, No, I'll call on you. I sad, "You promise?" He said, "I promise." He did not call on me. There was NO pro and con offered at the caucus, it was just Baron de Rothschild spouting non-entities. He said, Innovation is the key to the pollution problem. We need growth and development. For instance, we have a CO2 problem. I propose that we create large dry ice machines that will absorb the CO2 from the atmosphere, and then take the dry ice that we create and take it up to the polar ice cap to keep it from melting. MONEYCHANGER - Oh, come off it. HUNT - I am NOT kidding. I said to myself, That guy has either lost his mind, or*** MONEYCHANGER - (uncontrollable laughter and howling) HUNT - ***or he is just *laughing* at us. Isn't that something? And by the way, I've got the whole conference on tape. At the end of the caucus, Baron Rothschild, "You have decided. This will be a second World Marshall Plan." And I said to myself, "Did we say *that*? Nobody said anything here." When I got home I realized the significance of what he had said. That will be a resolution, because he wrote it on a resolution sheet, I saw him do it. That means that the governments are going to guarantee the debt of thw WCB. Now Russia was a lot of the wilderness lands, and I see that Russia is going to get a lot of the loans. When they default, and the US is going to be the turkey again. MONEYCHANGER - But still, in the end, SOMEBODY is going to end up with title to those lands, and I suggest that these somebodies are these same moneyed interests that were so much in evidence at this Fourth World Wilderness Conference. HUNT - Exactly, and they're going to be in back of the bank loaning currency and cash flow to the WCB to keep it alive, to give it the *appearance* of profitability. The bank will be running on an accrual basis. On paper it will be recognizing profits received on interests, but the interests will NOT be coming in because these countries cannot pay. So my hypothesis is that the kings, capitalists, and moneychangers of the world will be in the back of this bank in the position of *creditors*. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- For part 2 of this file, see OWGART1.003 --- Mike Carrillo -------------------------------------------------------------------------