-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Written for Crisnews by: Jene Paris CLETON iS MAD AS HELL AND HE AiN'T GONNA TAKE iT ANYMORE OR HOW i STOLE THE ViRUS ECHO BY Geno Paris Brother Mikey contacted me by voice the other day, and asked me to document the specifics of how i got took over the moderator- ship of the virus echo. He said to make a nice article and not to be crude and say things like s*it and f*ck, so of course i shall not do anything like that :) The whole thing started about two months ago, when Paul Ferguson was claiming moderatorship of the Virus Conference echo. it seems that Paul was allowing encrypted messages to be transfered through the echo (using the PGP program). Now at the time i was a major hub (i am still a fidonet hub, but i transfer no where near the amount of mail that i did then) for fidonet, with just about all of the Z1 backbone being transfered through my system. SEX iS HiGHLY OVER RATED....UNLESS YOU'RE NOT GETTiNG ANY -COLOSTOMY BAGBOY i notified Mr. Ferguson that it was illegal to transfer encrypted mail and quoted him the part of BackBone Operating policy (BOP 1.03) regarding encrypted mail: 5.2 Banned Messages -------------------- The Backbone does not distribute any conference which routinely contains messages which are encrypted, contain illegal information or promote illegal activities. As used in this paragraph, "illegal activities" includes activities which are a violation of civil law as well as activities which would result in criminal prosecution. Now i want to point out that i was very polite to Mr. Ferguson, i informed him that as a sysop could not verify the mail if it was encrypted, to see if it did in fact violate state or federal laws, and that in any case since i was paying the long distance phone bill to bring the echomail in, i did not appreciate mail that i could not read. As i said, i pointed this out very politely. The next thing i know, i get the extremely nasty message from Mr. Edwin Cleton, telling me that he was the moderator, and that basically that i should in no uncertain terms shut up. Now at this point, i am confused. First Paul Ferguson is claiming moderatorship and now Mr. Cleton. So i checked out the Elisting (for those not familiar the Elist, is a listing of all fidonet echos and the moderators of each echo). After consulting the Elist i found something very interesting, neither Mr. Cleton or Mr. Ferguson were the proper moderator, someone named Marc Spain was. i pointed this out to Mr. Cleton in the echo, that neither him or Mr. Fergson was the proper moderator of the echo. At this point, Edwin lied to me. He told me that both himself and Mr. Ferguson were in fact Elisted and kicked me out of the echo, sending netmail to my sysop asking that my feed be cut. i AM CONViNCED THAT iF SOMEONE DOES NOT DO iT FOR YOU, EVERYONE ON THiS EARTH MAKES THYSELF THEiR OWN PARTiCULAR HELL ON EARTH -SON OF SAM Now a funny thing happened when Mr. Cleton sent my NC a message. You see my NC John Burton is a straight arrow in fido. He is not a bad sort, but he lives and breathes fido, goes to sleep with Policy4 and BOP 1.03. When he found that Mr. Cleton was not the proper Elisted moderator of the echo, well he just ignored him (funny thing is Cleton kicked John Burton out of the echo, and he doesn't even get it). Now personally, this whole deal made me a bit upset. i decided i was not going to take this lying down. i got on the phone to a friend (who though is a REC of fidonet, will have to remain nameless at this time) i was able to obtain the Elist password for Virus (but as it turns out i did not need it, the Elisting had expired). So i Elisted the echo, petitioned for it's return to the backbone which made me the moderator. Guess what, my first official act was to throw Cleton out of the echo :) YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GOT, UNTiL iT'S GONE -"PHONEY" JONNiE MiTCHELL Mr. Cleton was quite upset when I threw him out of the echo, regardless of how this whole thing turns out, the following message makes the whole thing worth while: By: Edwin Cleton To: Dries Bessels Re: Moderator? St: Local Rcvd - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I'm confused!!! Who is the current moderator of this echo? > I thought Edwin but now it is Gene????? >> EC> Ec., Moderator VIRUS Conference >> Please stop posting this type of message. You are not the moderator >> of this echo. This is your second and last warning. >> Gene Paris Moderator Take no notice of this idiot, he has been access denied to this echo for over 2 months, but some usa nodes either refuse to listen or are being blackmailed to not cut links, mr. paris has been and very likely still is involved in child porno where he managed to involve others who are now facing exposure if they cut links to his node, I am working on it, patients please. Ec., Moderator VIRUS Conference - --- * Origin: [MPwrHQ] #Cc.MisTeam Europe +31-10-4795892 [#Twin*] (2:285/817) Will i retain moderatorship of the echo? Well that remains to be seen, certainly by BOP 1.03 i am the moderator, it states: 4.2 Recognition of Moderators - ------------------------------ A Moderator is recognized as follows: 1) Upon formation of a conference, the person who forms the conference is the Moderator. 2) Upon resignation or replacement of an existing Moderator, the conference's rules define how the new Moderator is selected. 3) Should a conference which originates inside of FidoNet be without a moderator for over 30 days, the ZEC may cause a Moderator to be selected. Moderators are responsible for: 1) Seeing that messages in their conference correspond to the conference's theme. 2) Updating their conference listing in Echolist at least every six months. As you can see policy is very unclear about moderation of the echos. Generally, by tradition the Elisted moderator, is the moderator. He has the Zone 2 ZEC on his side but i am not without my own supporters. Regardless i am having fun, and even were i too lose i feel i have gotten even with Cleton. Those who live in glass outhouses shouldn't be so quick to throw shit :) So keep watching everyone, for as long as it lasts. Geno -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQBVAgUBLNc4GKM4CDusTF+9AQGsMwH+LdQnoA5oiD/MtRoe9ig6COMgE1r55iV7 exg2fgR4If059q9/SJhSNEqY4iMvDgmHToDeMhm0mdhGMHxXbMyMOQ== =YDtI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----