Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 10:47:51 PST Reply-To: Return-Path: Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: surfpunk@versant.com (Jr unir plcurechaxf va xrl cbvagf) To: surfpunk@versant.com (SURFPUNK Technical Journal) Subject: [surfpunk-0100] TLG: an Internet buyers club I've personally been interested in finding out more about The Little Garden. [Thanks for writing, Tom!] I've got my sun3 at home running again, and would like to back-door IP to friends with macintoshes, etc. This sounds like the kind of net I'd like to join & extend... I think it's time to create little (& big) private nets and extra connectivity where ever we can. --strick ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ From: tomj@wps.com (Tom Jennings) Subject: feedback... To: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:14:59 -0800 (PST) Just wanted to say, I subscribed after seeing you in some WWW listing, and lo, I was not disappointed. Thanks. The recent noise re: commercialization is especially fun. I come from another world, FidoNet, where we all had to pay our own way, never having had sugar-daddies in the form of R+E funding and suchlike. (Though FidoNet has it's own quite militant anti-commercial fanaticism, it's out of recognition of the likelyhood of drowning in the flood, though the playing field is now so changed, etc.) Hey, we have an Internet buyers club, or lack of a better word. I'd just send a brochure along, but that would look like I'm blatantly looking for free advertising. Oh hell, I'll append it, and you can K)ill it or publish it or ignore it as you see fit. We're not Alternet, or even BARRnet, we're wierdos. Well... by some accountings. We have cypherpunks in key points. We allow infinite back-door reselling. We have what I call our "content-free AUP", yuk yuk. And we're real, and on the air (quaint phrase) now. And we're cheap! We are not looking for infinite expansion, and we're not competing head-on with our neighbors. PS: I have punk spin, not surf. THE LITTLE GARDEN -- IP SERVICES The Little Garden (TLG) is a buyers club providing Internet connectivity in the greater San Francisco Bay Area. Our prices are the cost of connectivity plus our reasonably low overhead. In exchange for these low prices, we expect members to be somewhat self-sufficient technically. Many members become involved in the operation of TLG, though this is not necessary. We have Points of Presence (POPs) in San Francisco, Mountain View and Palo Alto. We have affiliates in other regions providing similar service. We are working on extending into other areas. TLG provides high-quality, reliable basic IP connectivity via full-time SLIP or PPP, secondary Domain Name Service (DNS), and in some cases, address space. We provide you with the help necessary to get online. We don't provide shell accounts, shared, part-time IP, etc. TLG places no restrictions on content or use of your connection, including reselling, "back door" hosts, etc. You are of course required to comply with any AUPs of any networks you communicate with or through and of course any applicable laws. Compliance with this is the member's responsibility. PRICES: 56K SERVICE PRICES: One-time installation fee (non-refundable) . . . . . . $400. Monthly connection fee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $325. T1 SERVICE PRICES: One-time installation fee (non-refundable) . . . . . . $500. Monthly connection fee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $800. Each member must provide their own CSU/DSU pair, and a 56K or T1 capable connection to their system (such as a router). Each member must also provide a standalone router at the TLG end or pay for a fraction of a multi-port router. OTHER HIGH-SPEED SERVICE: We are more than willing to work out fair prices on other types of connections at other speeds, such as 64Kb/s ISDN, 200Kb/s radio, etc. LOW-SPEED DIAL-UP SERVICE PRICES: TLG offers modem-based full-time IP using telephone lines and dialup-type modems. Additional information is provided near the end of this datasheet. Ask for further details. One-time installation fee (non-refundable) . . . . . . $250. Monthly connection fee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $70. The following list gives estimates of goods and services that the member must cover. (Probable telco one-time installation fees, total . . $70. (Probable monthly telco charges, total . . . . . . . . $21. (Pair of v32bis/v42bis modems, retail . . . . . . . . $400. PAYMENT DETAILS: One-time installation fees, and member-supplied hardware must be provided before TLG initiates the connection. Members are invoiced for monthly connect fees three months at a time. Net 15 days, unless otherwise arranged. Initial billing starts with the first full week following the connection completion, or three weeks from start of the installation, whichever comes latest. POSSIBLE TLG/MEMBER RESOURCE SHARING: Under certain conditions, TLG may be willing to pay for the leased line to the customer's site, and a portion of the connect fee, if TLG can install a new POP at the member's site. Depending on various factors, this could significantly lower the cost to the member for IP services. As more sites are connected to this new POP, the member housing the POP would receive a portion of each additional connection fee, effectively paying for bandwidth used. Contact information: The Little Garden PO Box 410923 San Francisco CA 94141-0923 415-487-1902 info@admin.tlg.rg.net gopher admin.tlg.rg.net Associated Networks: Santa Cruz -- Santa Cruz Community Internet (scruz-net) 903 Pacific Ave. #203-A Santa Cruz, CA 95060 (408) 457-5050 info@scruz.net Santa Cruz Community Internet serves the entirety of Santa Cruz County, CA. scruz-net offers the following TCP/IP services: o medium speed 56kb and 64kb o leased line and frame relay o ISDN and centrex IS service at 64kb or 128kb o 14.4kb leased line or 14.4kb centrex o 14.4kb dial-up SLIP and PPP scruz-net offers the following application services: o news and mail forwarding o DNS registration and nameservice o FTP archive and gopher server Marin, Sonoma, and Mendocino Counties -- North Bay Network 20 Minor Court San Rafael, CA 94903 (415) 472-1600 Email: info@nbn.com Oregon, southern Washington state -- RAINet 9501 SW Westhaven Portland, OR 97225 (503) 297-8820 admin@rain.com RAINet offers the following TCP/IP services: o medium speed 56kb and 64kb o leased line and frame relay o 14.4kb leased line o 14.4kb dial-up SLIP and PPP RAINet offers the following application services: o news and mail forwarding o DNS registration and nameservice o UNIX shell accounts o POP mail accounts and POP serial dialup o dialup and PPP/SLIP gopher clients When you are in RAINet's geographic area (Oregon and Southern Washington), RAINet offers free access to customers of other RGnet consortium networks, e.g. The Little Garden. -- me as me: Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. me as us: The Little Garden -- admin@admin.tlg.rg.net -- S.F. 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