A RAY ANALYSIS INTERVIEW conducted by Judi Laws An Edited Transcription (Editor's Note: The following interview with Mary Ann Casalino was conducted by Judi Laws. Initially, five questions of a "shotgun" nature are asked to get some idea of which rays are present in the individual. Following that, questions are directed at identifying the rays of the mental, astral, physical, personality, and soul, in that order. Laws told those in attendance that when she had finished her inquiries, they would have an opportunity to ask additional questions of MAC. After the questioning was completed, the audience would, collectively, attempt to determine MAC's rays. To maximize the usefulness of this ray analysis to readers, Laws deleted those portions of the dialogue which she felt did not contribute to ascertaining MAC's rays.) Q: Mary Ann, darling, tell us about your favorite color? A: Purple and red, I think those two summarize it. Q: When you were in school what subject or subjects did you like most? A: I didn't like too many subjects at all but probably religion - I survived a Catholic education and religion was the main focus -probably some literature - I was also attracted to poetry. Q: Is there any particular country with which you feel a deep rapport or have an affinity to - whether or not you have traveled there - a country that just grabs you and you say "yes!"? A: Yes, Paris does that. Q: On which of the lower four planes are you most comfortable functioning (physical, astral, mental, intuitional) - not where you spend the most time but on which of those are you most comfortable? A: Intuitive. Q: Do you have any idea why you are on the planet? A: Yes, I'm here to serve. Q: Serve anything in particular or just to serve? A: To serve wherever I'm most needed. Q: Are you an analytical person? A: No. Q: Are you able to concentrate on mental work if it's noisy- jackhammer outside-stereo blaring? A: I would have a problem; especially for a long period of time - yes. Q: Tell us how you would go about reading a non-fiction book of your choosing? A: I would open it up and look at the copyright page first - see who published it, and then I would read the covers - I would probably skim through it fast then start to read it - page by page. Q: Do you have any trouble with mind racing - you can't turn your head off? Mind racing - would it keep you up at night? A: No. Q: Do people fuss with you about not answering a question directly? A: No. Q: Do you usually have four or five books that you are reading at the same time on different subjects. A: Magazines, yes; books, no. Q: Will you go to a lecture on virtually any subject? A: No. Q: Are you a calm, unflappable person? A: Absolutely not! Q: Have you exploded more than once in the last month? A: Absolutely. Q: Do you pray or meditate? A: Both. Q: Which form of the Diety do you address? A: The One. Q: Do you form emotional attachments easily. A: I would have to say generally no. Q: Do you dislike emotional displays in live persons, on the TV? A: No - Do I like it? I don't like the display but I like the life in it - I like the sign of life that it indicates. Q: How does your skin react to the sun? A: I tan very easily. Q: What Color? A: Brown - roasty toasty brown. Q: Can you work long hard hours if necessary? A: Absolutely. Q: And take stress and stimuli coming from different directions? A: Yes. Q: And of course, weather permitting, you are an outdoorsy person - you like being out..... A: Oh, yes. Q: Do you dress for a purpose - functional - comfort - aesthetics? A: Comfort first - aesthetics second. Q: Do you operate on the principle of brinksmanship, an eleventh hour person? - I have some friends in the audience who say "Thank God for the last minute because if it weren't for the last minute nothing would ever get done!" Are you one such? A: I prefer not to - but thank God for the last minute. Q: Do you have a high energy level? A: Oh, yeah! Q: Do you find there are ample opportunities for you to express the energy you have or is there some frustration or limitation there? A: Most of the time I can express it. Q: Are you someone who sits down to dinner - a nice dinner - not just a hamburger in front of the TV? A: I do both but I most definitely enjoy the nice dinner. Q: In your daily life, do you strive for elegance, the art of living? Not necessarily spending a lot of money, but quality? A: Oh Yes, that's very important. Q: Do people confide in you? A: Yes, they do. Q: Do you avoid the limelight, preferring to work behind the scenes? A: It varies. Depends what the work is. Either one is fine. Q: Do you work well in groups and committees? A: Yes. Q: Are you a list maker? Someone who makes lists of things to be done? A: When I'm forced to do it, but that's not my natural way of working. Q: Are you someone who has a place for everything and everything in its place? A: No. Q: Do you like to plan your leisure time - your nights - weekends and get really annoyed if plans get cancelled or changed? A: I think I would like to have it more set than more leisurely. Sometimes I do get annoyed if plans get changed. Q: Are you someone who tells the truth and lets the chips fall as they may? A: More yes than no. Q: You do then find there are times when tact and diplomacy don't cut it - when you just have to use a little force? A: 98% Q: Are you uncomfortable if you don't have enough irons in the fire? A: No. Q: If you could choose the life you were to live next and program the country, the parentage, the education, the financial circumstances, do you have any idea what you would want to do? A: I think I would make it a professional country - I would bring in all the professionals and get rid of the non-professionals (the people who get in the way) - then I would have all these people in the fields who are the best, meet together to create a professional country; world. Q: Define professional for me? A: I guess people who can use what they were given, at their highest level, and create an aura of professionalism - just to spiral up what they have inside. The quality of a person. Q: Not related to any disciplines or vocations? A: No, I think everyone has their own... Q: Have you had a lifelong fantasy of working the land being in touch daily with mother nature? A: I have a little 6x6 garden which I love to work. Q: Would you characterize your major contribution to life as that of being a mediator - someone who can effect workable compromises? A: No. Q: Would you say that your underlying purpose in life is to reconcile old ideas and ways of doing things with the new ones? A: I would like to say yes, but I don't think so. Q: Do you feel that you are a stranger in a strange land - that there is a thin veil separating you from others no matter how close to them you are? A: I sometimes feel that to be true, but generally no. Q: Have people commented on your staying power - your ability to hold on even if you're thwarted again, again and again? A: I think that's somewhat true. Q: Do you find that your deepest satisfaction lies in helping lighten the burdens of other people? A: Yes. Q: Is the most important thing in your life to follow an inner vision? A: Yes. Q: Like Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King? A: No. I guess it's a group vision - not necessarily my individual vision. (At this point, members of the audience were invited to ask questions of Casalino.) Q: What about the time orientation - you tend to be past, present or future oriented? A: Right now. Q: If you had to name one word or phrase that sums up one the problems of the world what would that be? A: Insensitivity. Q: And the solution to the problem? A: Professionalism! Q: Would you like to be well loved or well respected? A: Well-respected. Q: If you had your `druthers', what job would you like to do? A: I'm doing it. Q: What are your fears or insecurities? A: I have a lot of fears, but they never get in the way. Q: Can you tell us in just a few words how you think you think? A: I think more intuitively, I don't think it's so much logic. Q: I have a question about the questions - Do you ask the questions according to the person? J: No - everybody gets the same laundry list. Q: The reason why I ask is - there is one question that sticks out in my mind - the one about the sun tan ... there are some persons who are fair skinned..... J: I didn't ask about sun tan; the question was - How does your skin react to the sun? Q: What is your pet peeve? A: Incompetence! I feel very strongly about that, about the professional, the quality of work. Oh yes, I really dislike imcompetence. Q: If you had your choice of being alone to do what you want to do or to be in a room with strangers, what would your choice be? A: I would be alone. Q: Do you get angry when people express off the wall beliefs? A: I'm thinking about this weekend - yes! Q: What do you think is your greatest contribution you can make to the world or to humanity? A: Probably raise the quality of work that I am involved in. Q: When you are in a crisis situation do you use your sense of humor or lose your sense of humor? A: I've been in quite a few and it's not been one or the other. I've done both. (With audience questions having been answered, Laws wrote on the chalkboard: Physical, Astral, Mental, Personality, Soul. She asked the group what ray Casalino's physical body was manifesting on.) Aud: 3 Aud: I say 6 JL: Any other numbers? Aud: I'll just throw in 7 because of the reaction to sun. Aud: I want to say I have found no basis for the sun light theory - so I discount that - I just want to let you know that. There is a certain energy that she has that is very forward moving and aggressive - it (unaudible). Three energy is more laid back in someway - just more laid back and relaxed. Six is more out there aggressive and moving fast. There is also a big fluctuation in energy - real highs and then lows...depleted, exhausted, burned out, and then way back up there, high again. It's very six, I think. Aud: We are talking about the quality of the body (physical) and when you start talking about ups and down and energy that may be coming through from some other level - well of course it has to express through the etheric but it may not be the body itself - it may be the effect of the personality - using the body in that manner. Aud: I think it has to be a ray three and I think its very important to take into account that we are talking about the brain - the physical brain and just to look at the body as it is sometimes may deceive us when we try to attempt to ascertain the ray energy - knowing MaryAnn, I think she has a Ray three body, and a lot of that has to do with the brain - as well as the body type being a work horse when necessary and able to go long hours. She's very powerful - a very strong body type. JL: I would also say: you know she's a hugger, and the kind of muscular tone that she has I don't find in sixth ray bodies. In sixth ray bodies, I find a softer kind, a pudgy, watery kind of body. But in third ray bodies, underneath the skin is a lot of muscle. Aud: I don't know her very well but she just strikes me as having a lot of mental stability that I don't think sixth ray would necessarily have - I mean in her thought processes. The third ray is capable of dealing with a lot of stress and mental problems without falling apart and she seems real stable. JL: Are we ready to move on to the Astral body? We've got the three with maybe seven, for a number of reasons. One of them is in Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle, page 137 where it says the thyroid of Path people is governed by the seventh ray. With ordinary humanity, the thyroid is governed by the third ray. I'm finding what I call a `touch of seventh ray' in more and more third ray physical bodies. Part of the reason is because Aquarius is coming in. As we move up and get into the etheric body it is ruled by the seventh ray and the Devas of the shadows, so I am not surprised when I find what seems to be blatant third ray physical body that does very nicely in the sun. Roasty-toasty brown and there is a flowingness, no awkwardness. I see that in Mary Ann and other predominately third ray physical bodies. JL: On to the astral body. Aud: (Many people say "Six") JL: OK, Mental body. Aud: 1 - 4 - 5 JL: Alright, that's what the Tibetan says. It's one of those. Aud: I thought four. I noticed that on every mental question she was evasive with her answer. On the one about school she said religion, and then finally, with more questioning, she came up with well, maybe literature. I made a note: not particularly studious. Then you asked her: How do you think. She said intuitive and was really clear when you asked her a few more questions. She wasn't a list maker. She wasn't analytical. So I figured it had to be four because it didn't seem like a two, by exclusion. Aud: She didn't seem to have the quality of cutting right to the core of things that I associate with the first ray mind. She looked for the copyright and the publication date before she started the book. I think there is a tendency, when you have these rays of aspect, for them to take precedence over the rays of attribute. In a sense I feel she could have a fifth ray mind because she seems to be polarized, more focused in rays two, four, six. Consequently, rays of attribute don't show up as strongly. I think her personality ray is four and astral body six, associated with the soul ray (II). So I give her a two, four, six based upon my analysis of the tendency to flow along one or the other line. Major rays seem to flow, to assume dominance over the lesser vehicles. JL: Are you saying that the mental ray is five? Aud: Yes. JL: Other points of view? Aud: All this stuff about professionals; maybe she threw in the words expertise and exactitude also. It could be five in the mental body. Looking at the covers of the book first and the copyright - very analytical - ray five is a possibility. Aud: I would like to say something about this professionalism. I think that has to do with reaching the top and doing a thing as well as it can be done - I think it's climbing to the peak, the kind of professionalism we are talking about, not so much expertise. That's how I perceive that one. JL: That's how I perceive it also - quality. Aud: I just wanted to add to that. The soul usually manifests through one vehicle or another primarily - obviously it goes through all of them. There is usually a primary one and her's may not be mental - that may be a real soul urge - that reaching for the top and it may also express it self in her personality life - how she deals with people and what she expects from other people; but it doesn't necessarily have to be mentally based. Aud: I have another comment. When you asked her what she could contribute the most as her spiritual service, it was again related to professionalism which would indicate a soul type of urge. Again, it's related to her efficiency and professionalism quality. JL: As distinct from a mental or even a personality focus. Aud: When you talk about the mental ray, you are talking about the lower concrete mind because the intuitive is also the mental. Aud: It doesn't matter. It matters and it doesn't matter. You've asked her a number of questions -all of them having to do with the concrete - she said "No. Intuitive. " So she is saying where she likes to function mentally and it's not analytical and its not in list making and it's not in research and it's not in statistics or form. That already tells you what her mind is not, so that gives you some idea of what it is. Aud: Would you say she has a fifth ray mind because she is critical? Aud: Absolutely not. All rays could be critical. First ray is critical. Third ray is critical. Sixth ray is emotional and critical. So I don't think critical faculties have to do with fifth ray. (The group seemed to reach an impasse as to the mental ray, so Laws suggested that they shift to the consideration of the personality ray.) Aud: I vote for six. She has a strong drive toward perfection which she expresses in an idealistic way. She doesn't have an idealistic following of a person per se, but she has this idealistic drive to reach professionalism and express quality which is her soul ray in the world. And she does it in that kind of goal oriented way. I didn't see evidence of seventh ray structure and organization or any more concrete thing like that. Aud: I see her orientation towards professionalism as perhaps reflecting seventh ray or at least a seventh sub ray because she thinks in terms of the right person or right place. It could indicate somewhat of a bureaucratic orientation. We need technical skills here. I see it having a certain seventh ray dimension. Aud: I feel there is some ray one in her personality. She has a will and a drive that's coming through. Aud: I'd like to say too that Mary Ann is a hugger. There are certain dimensions - I don't know if the dimensions showed up here particularly - but there are certain dimensions of warmth, sunnyness, intimacy, huggibility, nurturance - those kinds of things which are equally as strong as the power things. Aud: I see Mary Ann as a goal oriented person. Aud: I agree, I feel the first ray is coming in as a personality expression. Aud: I don't see too much seventh ray. I appreciate what's being said by Steven though, in terms of wanting the right person at the right place at the right time. But I wouldn't put it in those words for Mary Ann. I would say you need an authoritative person who knows how to direct - a first ray approach. I'm not sure but I think perhaps this discussion is almost leading into Soul/Personality combination that one/two - two/one and how that works out. I see it more as a second ray personality. Aud: Think about the book. She focused on the form of the book, on the date, the publication date. That could be interpreted as a seventh ray sense - the ideas of dates and time. There is something seventh ray about that. It seems significant because its very unusual to think of the date first. JL: She's been in publishing a lot of years. Aud: Not based on any questions but just having experienced Mary Ann I can recall sitting there and she told me to move! There was a certain forcefulness there that I must interpret as first ray. Aud: It seems to me that one of the qualities of the first ray would be to control or govern thought and feeling. If it's in the personality you would see a lot of evidence of it where she would be regulating with her personality her thought and feeling. But it doesn't seem that's what she does. It seems to me that there is a strong will quality there, but it doesn't seem the proper place to put it is in the personality. It must be coming through someplace else. JL: But I think she does a good job of governing her own house. I don't mean control or repression. I think she is well disciplined and controlled as a personality and the way she goes about her life. Aud: Nobody has thrown in the ray four for the personality. Did you hear what she said in terms to sitting down to dinner with beauty and harmony? Aud: I'm referring to the comment about Mary Ann asking you to move. I agree the ray one is very forceful in giving orders and not caring about the person. I agree with you that Mary Ann does give orders but she always gives them thinking about the person - she's considerate about the way she tells them to do something. So I get the underlying feeling that she's not so much telling you and forcing you; she's asking you and because she's such a powerful person you do it. Aud: I feel some ray one is present though I don't know where it would be. She said earlier that she likes being alone rather than in some unfamiliar group setting. As a ray four personality myself, I don't see her as ray four unless the astral six is very powerful. I don't think it is to overshadow that, to really block it out, if she is a four. I just don't pick up a four. Aud: I get the sense that the first ray power comes through the sixth ray because all this force is veiled by consideration for other people's feelings and for the astral and sentient nature of others Aud: Nobody wants to go along with my sixth ray hypothesis, but I would like to remind people that there is a close resemblance between the first ray and the sixth ray in some cases. The goal pointedness and purpose often resemble the first ray and I don't see the destructive quality in her. I might be wrong in that.... Aud: We could be seeing the positive side of the ray one personality. Also we could be seeing a change in the personality. I feel there is definitely ray two in the soul coming through - expressed in the personality through a one, perhaps changing a ray..... Aud: I think she's a ray two personality because she has a very inclusive quality. When she was talking, she was talking about some criticality issues. When she comes across to me it's always been in a very inclusive manner. I've heard her at meetings and watched her make sure everyone is included, making sure and trying to reduce criticality and being very inclusive in general. Aud: Let me ask the question: What is Mary Ann's function within the Seven Ray Institute? She's found a calling. What is her function here? Is Mary Ann the Scholar? Is Mary Ann the Therapist? Is Mary Ann all those things on an inner level? Of those people in the Seven Ray Institute, what does Mary Ann do? Aud: There is that two/one quality, I think the two is with the soul, the sense of inclusiveness, but her way of doing it is forceful. It's straightforward. It's very organized. She's not flaky at all. Aud: Mary Ann's personality is ray one because she gets things done - quick decisions, takes action. That didn't work out, forget it; We'll try something else. I think it's ray one. JL: When you give her a job, you know it's going to be done in the shortest space of time and effectively. Aud: If your personality is aligned with your soul, then it's going to bring it down -- soul-infused personality. JL: Hands up: How many vote for a ray one personality? (Many hands go up) Ray two personality? (Few hands raised) Aud: Simply put, is she the director or the teacher? She's certainly the director in my opinion. JL: I think the directing is done on this level, in this world -- form. Inwardly she's "Mama Casalino". Aud: One other question. To which word of power (and words of power are pretty deep things) do you respond: I assert the fact or I see the greatest light. MAC: I've done this before and I definitly resonate to: I assert the fact. Aud: I think she's a second ray soul and a first ray personality. The reason why I think that is the type of group affiliation she has -- the type of group expression she's involved in and the fact that when the soul begins to influence the personality, it does determine the type of work you are involved in and affiliated with. (At this point, Laws went to the chalk board, and the group achieved a certain degree of consensus on MAC's rays, as follows: (4 II 6/1 (6 (3 Soul - Ray Two Personality - Ray Six/One Mental - Ray Four Astral - Ray Six Physical - Ray Three Judi Laws, Education and Training Specialist for ALMACA, and author of The Science of Human Energetics, teaches classes and conducts research in esoteric psychology in Washington, D.C. Judi's interview technique to determine and place the predominant ray energies in an individual's system, has proven to be an effective tool in consultation and counseling. he predominant ray energies in a